The CF team works very closely with OpenNETCF. All the major code owners on OpenNETCF are NETCF MVPs.

As far as documenting the use of SDF goes ... I believe that is OpenNETCF's responsibility and I know for a fact that their forums are really good for getting answers.

As far as why NETCF doesn't support WSE goes ... MS technology in general seems to be moving away from WSE and towards Indigo ... and NETCF will be doing the same. Check out MikeZin's blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/mikezintel/archive/2005/02/03/366662.aspx for more info.

Thanks for the info. We had one team going down the Vista route, but they were stopped short when they were told by MS that they had no idea how long it would be before CF and or Mobile would be ready for WCF.

I thought I read somewhere WSE would be part of WCF, so unless I read wrong, it would make sense to support the WS-* protocols with WSE now, and lead us through a migration path later, to what may not be that different.

So it looks like for now we are in a dead zone, no WSE and no WCF. With the release of VSTS 2005 and Mobile 5.0 and CF 2.0 just happening, why is MS moving so rapidly towards the next release of stuff?

Looks like we are left with home brewing, or using someone else’s home brewed solution.

The have "channels" in Indigo that encapsulate the WS* protocols, so no worries on that front. Officially, MS will support WSE also moving forward, but I am assuming there won't be much innovation in that space. MS will promote the use of Indigo in its stead ... and I *do* think Indigo is the way to go if you are going to be writing apps on the desktop that avail of the WS* protocols.

You are right in the fact that it is not sure when CF will release with support for WCF ... but you can keep track of MikeZin's blog and he might leak out some info on that ground ;)

Geez, what a bad place to be. Now I recall why it is called Bleeding-edge technology... we are certainly bleeding...

It would seem we need to wait until OpenNETCF gets done building and documenting the OpenNETCF Smart Device Framework 2.0 before we have a completed managed compact framework 2.0 for Mobile 5.0 devices.

More on CF 2.0 Lacking... http://realworldsa.dotnetdev elopersjournal.com/net_compact_framework_20_guidance_and_documentation_is_p itif.htm

This is great feedback ... if you have more complaints forward them to me. I would like to compile these and address them seriously for upcoming releases.

Thanks for the info.

I have reponded to what I am looking for here:

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/showpost.aspx?postid=248030&siteid=1< /a>

We're working on the right level of WS-* support. Sadly, it didn't get done for V2.

We did a fair amount of work for SDF 2.0 in the WSE area, but that was almost exclusively due to changes in what CF 2.0 provides. WSE in SDF 1.x wasn't an exact duplicate of the FFX, and we used all internal encryption stuff. CF 2.0 added a lot of encryption support, so where applicable we ripped ours out and used theirs, assuming that theirs is likely tested better than ours.

Beyond that, I don't suspect we'll be doing much for documentation. We rely heavily on Casey's originals and the samples available for the desktop. Of course we could always be monetarily persuaded to work on docs, but if you're just waiting for it, you might be in for a long wait.